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Fun Rules Questions
« on: April 25, 2014, 01:59:24 PM »
Men on 1st and 3rd, 1 out...

Line drive to RF.. catch is good... Runner on 3rd tags and heads towards the plate.. runner on 1st went 1/2 way to 2nd.

Throw to plate is cut off and thrown to 1st to get runner going back.

Runner from 3rd crosses plate before the 1st baseman catches the throw to double off the runner.

Does the run count?
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2014, 05:00:34 PM »
I would say no.  Tagging 1st is a force play, I believe.
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2014, 07:18:40 AM »
Many do think that.. but the run does count. Yes, he is "forced" to go back and tag but it's classified as an appeal. The fielder does not have to tag him, but it's an appeal by the defense. Tricky question that is on every ump test!
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2014, 11:42:32 PM »
mmmmmm, may be true. I trust you on that, but I wonder what the logic was on that rule
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2014, 11:31:09 AM »
The logic, I guess, is that a runner does not have to tag up. That runner could have just run to second and if nobody appeals, he is safe. It's not a force in the fact that he HAS to run.

I agree though.. Since the fielder does not have to tag him, it does seem like a force.. but it's not.
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2014, 09:44:18 AM »
Joe Girardi's line-up card has Jeter leading off and Ellsbury batting second....

Ellsbury actually leads off and hits a home run...

The opposing coach notifies the ump after the HR..

What is the call?
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2014, 10:40:04 AM »
Joe Girardi's line-up card has Jeter leading off and Ellsbury batting second....

Ellsbury actually leads off and hits a home run...

The opposing coach notifies the ump after the HR..

What is the call?

He's out!
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2014, 11:21:26 AM »
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2014, 11:22:47 AM »
Ok this is more complex isn't it...  I would guess that Jeter and Ellsbury are out.  Then the batter who is third would be up.
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2014, 06:34:10 PM »
The batter that hit out of order?  1 out, Jeter at bat, HR does not count?
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2014, 08:40:55 PM »
Joe Girardi's line-up card has Jeter leading off and Ellsbury batting second....

Ellsbury actually leads off and hits a home run...

The opposing coach notifies the ump after the HR..

What is the call?

As long as the ump is notified before the next pitch, then Ellsbury is ruled out, and Jeter now becomes the #2 batter. If no appeal was made before the next pitch, then the Ellsbury homer counts and Jeter is up.
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2014, 08:06:04 AM »
You guys are so close but I the answer is......

Jeter is out.. HR does not count... Ellsbury bats (again).....
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2014, 12:27:24 PM »
You guys are so close but I the answer is......

Jeter is out.. HR does not count... Ellsbury bats (again).....

Can ya show where in the rule book it states that?
'Cause that's not what I saw, or interrpruted.
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2014, 01:44:19 PM »
Can ya show where in the rule book it states that?
'Cause that's not what I saw, or interrpruted.

Rule 6.07 and look at approved ruling, example 2.
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2014, 01:47:31 PM »
APPROVED RULING
 To illustrate various situations arising from batting out of turn, assume a firstinning batting order as follows:
 Abel-Baker-Charles-Daniel-Edward-Frank-George-Hooker-Irwin
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 PLAY (2). Baker bats and doubles. The defensive team appeals (a) immediately or (b) after a pitch to Charles. RULING: (a) Abel is called out and Baker is the proper batter; (b) Baker stays on second and Charles is the proper batter.
 
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2014, 11:37:59 AM »
APPROVED RULING
 To illustrate various situations arising from batting out of turn, assume a firstinning batting order as follows:
 Abel-Baker-Charles-Daniel-Edward-Frank-George-Hooker-Irwin
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 PLAY (2). Baker bats and doubles. The defensive team appeals (a) immediately or (b) after a pitch to Charles. RULING: (a) Abel is called out and Baker is the proper batter; (b) Baker stays on second and Charles is the proper batter.
 

So Baker bats again with no one on and one out?

This would be very rare to see at College level and above.
I could see it happening in LL once in a while.

Thanks Bully, that was a tough one.
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2014, 11:49:37 AM »
Did youse guys watch the Brewers @ Braves last night?
That was an interesting rule book game.
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2014, 03:15:27 PM »
So Baker bats again with no one on and one out?

This would be very rare to see at College level and above.
I could see it happening in LL once in a while.

Thanks Bully, that was a tough one.

Exactly... One out, Ellsbury up again... or Baker, in the above case!

I had a LL game the other night and there was a batting out of order... Silly for the opposing coach to point it out and make a fuss over it. I was glad his team lost!!! These were 10 year olds and he comes stomping out of the dugout with his scorebook... It got coonfusing but we got it right!
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2014, 03:17:48 PM »
Did youse guys watch the Brewers @ Braves last night?
That was an interesting rule book game.

Missed it.. What happened, Jedi?
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2014, 07:50:20 PM »
Pitching and Bullpen coaches were out for graduation ceremonies for the Brewers
Coach goes to the mound to make a pitching change, confusion in the bullpen, no one was ready.
Duke starts walking out onto the outfield playing surface, Roenicke doesn't want Duke, he wants Smith.  Duke goes back to the bullpen and Smith comes out.  The Braves coach comes out for clarification and they get on the headphones to MLB in NY.
What do they rule on the substitution?
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2014, 09:04:41 AM »
Pitching and Bullpen coaches were out for graduation ceremonies for the Brewers
Coach goes to the mound to make a pitching change, confusion in the bullpen, no one was ready.
Duke starts walking out onto the outfield playing surface, Roenicke doesn't want Duke, he wants Smith.  Duke goes back to the bullpen and Smith comes out.  The Braves coach comes out for clarification and they get on the headphones to MLB in NY.
What do they rule on the substitution?

Smith is the pitcher and Duke goes back to the pen and is eligable later in the game assuming Roenicke never told the umps Duke was in....

If Duke had made it all the way top the mound and took the rubber, he is the P regardless of what was told to the HP ump...

Pretend for a second the Rickie Weeks, just messing around, stood on the rubber between innings.. Guess what. He has to pitch to 1 batter minimum... Once a P or anyone toes the rubber, he is in. Little kids do this ALL THE TIME on the way out to the field.. I have to constantly remind coaches to tell them not to. I won't call that is kids, but once they are in HS... yup. Gotta call it.
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2014, 12:44:10 PM »
Smith is the pitcher and Duke goes back to the pen and is eligable later in the game assuming Roenicke never told the umps Duke was in....

If Duke had made it all the way top the mound and took the rubber, he is the P regardless of what was told to the HP ump...

Pretend for a second the Rickie Weeks, just messing around, stood on the rubber between innings.. Guess what. He has to pitch to 1 batter minimum... Once a P or anyone toes the rubber, he is in. Little kids do this ALL THE TIME on the way out to the field.. I have to constantly remind coaches to tell them not to. I won't call that is kids, but once they are in HS... yup. Gotta call it.

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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2014, 01:28:14 PM »
Never touch the rubbers if it's not yours!!! It's bad luck, among other things.

and never ever step on a dirty one
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« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2014, 01:29:33 PM »
You two are wise beyond your years... :)
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Re: Fun Rules Questions
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2014, 01:32:31 PM »
Men on 1st and 3rd, 1 out...

Line drive to RF.. catch is good... Runner on 3rd tags and heads towards the plate.. runner on 1st went 1/2 way to 2nd.

Throw to plate is cut off and thrown to 1st to get runner going back.

Runner from 3rd crosses plate before the 1st baseman catches the throw to double off the runner.

Does the run count?
I don't think so.
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