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« on: February 17, 2015, 05:26:10 PM »
Figured I'd start another thread.  This one for the draft. 

That SS Collins out of Bama we talked about.  But look at this write up from Mike Mayock on Shaq Thompson OLB Washington.  WLB. 

 On Washington LB Shaq Thompson: "Shaq Thompson is one of the most fun guys to watch on tape this year. I know GMs were looking at him as a running back, linebacker and safety, most teams as a linebacker. I've got him as a safety. I think he can be a Kam Chancellor-type on first down in your base and then drop down and play linebacker in your dime, and that's really important in today's world." Combine workout day:Sunday.


He's looking good at the moment! Should be there easy at 11.
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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2015, 09:23:38 PM »
Nice post Simmion......I like Shaq but isn't he supposed to go in the later part of the first round? Looking at a number of mocks and it seems anyones guess on who will drop.....At  11 it's going to be a tough one as best available will probably be a WR with the run on pass rushers. One of the top RB's or TE's should be available at the back end of the first round or even on of the top gaurds. If the Vikings don't go WR I can see them trading back in the first and also trading up from the second to the later part of the first. I was really high on Collins but some are saying his coverage skills are lacking. Personally I hope we go after Shaq but not at 11, move back 7 or 8 spots and take him then.

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2015, 07:03:05 AM »
Here is what the Vikings cap looks like...
Adrian Peterson RB $12,750,000 $2,400,000 - - $250,000 - - ($2,400,000) $15,400,000   
Greg Jennings WR $8,900,000 $2,000,000 - - $100,000 - - ($6,000,000) $11,000,000   
Chad Greenway OLB $7,000,000 $1,700,000 - - $100,000 - - ($1,700,000) $8,800,000   
Everson Griffen DE $6,900,000 $1,200,000 - - $100,000 - - ($11,700,000) $8,200,000   
Phillip Loadholt RT $4,400,000 $1,750,000 $500,000 - $100,000 - - ($3,500,000) $6,750,000   
Kyle Rudolph TE $4,900,000 $1,300,000 $250,000 - $100,000 - - ($5,200,000) $6,550,000   
Matt Kalil LT $3,085,989 $3,204,655 - - - - - ($6,290,644) $6,290,644   
John Sullivan C $4,650,000 $1,000,000 - - $100,000 - - ($1,000,000) $5,750,000   
Brian Robison DE $4,150,000 $1,000,000 $200,000 - $100,000 - - ($3,000,000) $5,450,000   
Matt Cassel QB $4,150,000 - $500,000 - $100,000 - - - $4,750,000   
Linval Joseph DT $3,900,000 $600,000 - - $100,000 - - ($6,000,000) $4,600,000   
Captain Munnerlyn CB $3,450,000 $333,333 - - $50,000 - - ($666,667) $3,833,333   
Brandon Fusco G $2,620,000 $800,000 $80,000 - $50,000 - - ($3,200,000) $3,550,000   
Anthony Barr OLB $999,250 $1,897,000 - - - - - ($10,426,500) $2,896,250   
Charlie Johnson G $2,450,000 - - - $50,000 - - - $2,500,000   
Harrison Smith S $1,363,437 $907,918 - - - - - ($907,918) $2,271,355   
Sharrif Floyd DT $1,139,200 $1,063,400 - - - - - ($3,266,000) $2,202,600   
Xavier Rhodes CB $1,114,682 $1,014,364 - - - - - ($3,143,410) $2,129,046   
Round 1, Pick #11  - - - - - - - - $2,103,183   
Cordarrelle Patterson WR $1,061,459 $907,918 - - - - - ($2,877,295) $1,969,377   
Teddy Bridgewater QB $731,341 $825,364 - - - - - ($4,250,115) $1,556,705   
Marcus Sherels CB $1,050,000 $150,000 - - $50,000 - - ($150,000) $1,250,000   
Andrew Sendejo S $950,000 $66,668 - - $50,000 - - ($66,668) $1,066,668   
Josh Robinson CB $766,000 $174,250 - - $10,000 - - ($174,250) $950,250   
Round 2, Pick #45  - - - - - - - - $871,879   
Jarius Wright WR $660,000 $105,027 - - - - - ($105,027) $765,027   
Rhett Ellison TE $660,000 $75,146 - - - - - ($75,146) $735,146   
Robert Blanton S $660,000 $52,763 - - - - - ($52,763) $712,763   
Scott Crichton DE $541,426 $164,081 - - - - - ($492,243) $705,507   
Gerald Hodges OLB $585,000 $105,027 - - - - - ($210,054) $690,027   
Blair Walsh K $660,000 $29,483 - - - - - ($29,483) $689,483   
Audie Cole ILB $660,000 - - - - - - - $660,000   
Josh Kaddu OLB $660,000 - - - - - - - $660,000   
Shaun Prater CB $660,000 - - - - - - - $660,000   
Justin Trattou S $660,000 - - - - - - - $660,000   
DeMarcus Van Dyke CB $660,000 - - - - - - - $660,000   
Jerick McKinnon RB $520,000 $128,750 - - - - - ($386,250) $648,750   
Jeff Locke P $585,000 $46,048 - - - - - ($92,096) $631,048   
Michael Mauti ILB $585,000 $15,682 - - - - - ($31,364) $600,682   
Round 3, Pick #76  - - - - - - - - $589,868   
Joe Banyard RB $585,000 - - - - - - - $585,000   
Pat Devlin QB $585,000 - - - - - - - $585,000   
Chase Ford TE $585,000 - - - - - - - $585,000   
Henry Josey RB $585,000 - - - - - - - $585,000   
Zach Line RB $585,000 - - - - - - - $585,000   
David Yankey G $510,000 $51,725 - - - - - ($155,175) $561,725   
Round 4, Pick #107  - - - - - - - - $549,114   
Antone Exum CB $510,000 $28,947 - - - - - ($86,841) $538,947   
Shamar Stephen DT $510,000 $16,287 - - - - - ($48,861) $526,287   
Brandon Watts OLB $510,000 $15,612 - - - - - ($46,836) $525,612   
Jabari Price CB $510,000 $15,455 - - - - - - ($46,365) $525,455

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2015, 07:13:10 AM »
From looking at this list I can see the Vikings releasing Cassel and keeping Ponder, as much as I hate to say that...The Vikings could save at least $2 million maybe more by doing that. Then again if something happens to Teddy the Vikings are screwed!

Greenway is probably done as a Viking? The Vikings save $7 million by releasing him...

Jennings probably returns because the Vikings only save $2 million releasing him, and owe $9 million (roughly)

Charlie Johnson is gone, unless he signs for a lot less money and plays as a back up...

Do you guys see anywhere else to save money? I'm saying the Vikings pay AP. Face it, there will be nobody wanting that salary, and the Vikings won't get anywhere close to value from a trade. The Vikings have to pay someone. It might as well be a former MVP and future HoFer...My opionion.
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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2015, 09:11:03 AM »
From looking at this list I can see the Vikings releasing Cassel and keeping Ponder, as much as I hate to say that...The Vikings could save at least $2 million maybe more by doing that. Then again if something happens to Teddy the Vikings are screwed!

Greenway is probably done as a Viking? The Vikings save $7 million by releasing him...

Jennings probably returns because the Vikings only save $2 million releasing him, and owe $9 million (roughly)

Charlie Johnson is gone, unless he signs for a lot less money and plays as a back up...

Do you guys see anywhere else to save money? I'm saying the Vikings pay AP. Face it, there will be nobody wanting that salary, and the Vikings won't get anywhere close to value from a trade. The Vikings have to pay someone. It might as well be a former MVP and future HoFer...My opionion.

Another pick I saw on a Mock was an OT from LSU I think.  Who projects as a elite guard. Taking place of Charlie. 

I can't imagine Ponder taking any deal from the Vikings.  He has said numerous times he is looking for a fresh start.  And Greenway was quoted yesterday, everything looks good between the Vikings and him.  Paraphrasing that money is nothing at this point.  That he wants to go out on the team he loves.
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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2015, 09:12:37 AM »
Nice post Simmion......I like Shaq but isn't he supposed to go in the later part of the first round? Looking at a number of mocks and it seems anyones guess on who will drop.....At  11 it's going to be a tough one as best available will probably be a WR with the run on pass rushers. One of the top RB's or TE's should be available at the back end of the first round or even on of the top gaurds. If the Vikings don't go WR I can see them trading back in the first and also trading up from the second to the later part of the first. I was really high on Collins but some are saying his coverage skills are lacking. Personally I hope we go after Shaq but not at 11, move back 7 or 8 spots and take him then.

You probably could move back to get him.  With Speils history, I wouldn't doubt it for a second. But maybe Zim will have some say. Like, "Alright, trade back but if you mess this up, I'll be a little pissed. He's my guy"  Who knows.  Combine starts today!
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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2015, 09:19:16 AM »
personally I don't think we keep Ponder as that ship has more than sailed. We have very little tied up in the QB position and IMO we will be almost certainly be keeping Cassell. There are so many senerios with AD that we have all discussed and one is the Vikings keeping him at his current salary for another year......can that happen ? Sure.....will there be another team that would be willing to pay it too? yes, as his current contract doesn't require any long term commitments. Personally I think other senerios are more likely with AD. Cap wise we will be fine regardless this season. Unless AD is part of the long term plan then let him go and get what you can now, he is still worth a decent pick from the right team and a pick that can get us back into the first round from the 2nd is very valuable.His cap savings can be used now and it can have very positive effects on other areas and make things easier for down the road signings. I think Jenning will renegotiate his contract as there are going to be a flood of WR's on the market once teams start releasing players, he be foolish not to unless he wants to play somewhere else.....he won't get paid anywhere close to what he is currently making by anyone.

This is going to be a fun draft as I mentioned before, WR and RB are very solid this year so we can go in any number of ways with FA and who we keep or don't because of it. AD's cap number can get you a solid guard, LB and so on if FA ...lots to consider. Lets see who is released in the next few weeks .

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2015, 09:24:07 AM »
You probably could move back to get him.  With Speils history, I wouldn't doubt it for a second. But maybe Zim will have some say. Like, "Alright, trade back but if you mess this up, I'll be a little pissed. He's my guy"  Who knows.  Combine starts today!

The combine will tell a lot for guys like Shaq.....normally I don't get excited about guys in shorts but those drills for quickness and hip movement will mean a lot for a guy like him and where he is drafted. I agree if he is the guy then you don't want to mess around with it. Who we sign if FA should tell us everything we will need to know where the team is going in the draft.

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2015, 09:53:56 AM »
I'm betting on AD being with the Vikings next season around 10 million. Still a lot for a running back, but down from the 15 million he's scheduled. Spielman said this morning that he expects AD to be a part of this team next season, for whatever that's worth ha. Like Simmion said, Greenway will restructure again to stay with the Vikings, and I'd be happy to have him back around 4 million. I think he's around 7 or 8 right now. Charlie Johnson is gone. Jennings will restructure. There will be cap space for the Vikings.

Draft wise, I want a receiver in the first round, then just a lot of defense for Zimmer to make guys his own & teach them so he gets the most of their abilities. I think they also draft a QB somewhere in the fourth or later. Someone to backup Bridgewater for a while whether or not Cassel is back for one season.

I'm liking this Kevin White out of West Virginia. He might be the fast riser that shoots up the board though, and those guys kinda scare me.

If we do go offensive lineman, it will be interesting to see if they're drafting a tackle to play guard like the Cowboys did with Zack Martin last season, or if they really are worried about Kalil. Could be to replace Loadholt I guess.

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2015, 10:24:34 AM »
I'm betting on AD being with the Vikings next season around 10 million. Still a lot for a running back, but down from the 15 million he's scheduled. Spielman said this morning that he expects AD to be a part of this team next season, for whatever that's worth ha. Like Simmion said, Greenway will restructure again to stay with the Vikings, and I'd be happy to have him back around 4 million. I think he's around 7 or 8 right now. Charlie Johnson is gone. Jennings will restructure. There will be cap space for the Vikings.

Draft wise, I want a receiver in the first round, then just a lot of defense for Zimmer to make guys his own & teach them so he gets the most of their abilities. I think they also draft a QB somewhere in the fourth or later. Someone to backup Bridgewater for a while whether or not Cassel is back for one season.

I'm liking this Kevin White out of West Virginia. He might be the fast riser that shoots up the board though, and those guys kinda scare me.

If we do go offensive lineman, it will be interesting to see if they're drafting a tackle to play guard like the Cowboys did with Zack Martin last season, or if they really are worried about Kalil. Could be to replace Loadholt I guess.

Regarding WR Mike Mayock has White as his number one WR where most have Cooper going first. Between Parker or White both or one could be available for us. If White is there he'd be hard to pass up on. the one think I really like about White and it's form high lites I've seen is he makes plays with defenders all over him. That says a lot IMO for what he'll be like in the NFL earlier on.

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2015, 10:26:48 AM »
Regarding a guard I hope the Vikings don't take one at 11...it's way to high IMO. He is hoping we get one in FA to replace Johnson.

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2015, 11:06:58 AM »
Regarding a guard I hope the Vikings don't take one at 11...it's way to high IMO. He is hoping we get one in FA to replace Johnson.

Absolutely agree. I would much rather spend big on Iupati and then draft a receiver with the first round pick rather than sign a big receiver (Demaryius to Crabtree) and then drafting a tackle at 11 to play guard.

That's great to hear about White. I really was high on Parker, but the connection with Teddy at Louisville made it a bit a Homer pick. But he sounds like a big receiver that will go up and get balls too right? Or am I way off on the type of receiver Parker's going to be in the NFL?

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2015, 11:44:06 AM »
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But he sounds like a big receiver that will go up and get balls too right? Or am I way off on the type of receiver Parker's going to be in the NFL?

He better if he is being picked at 11.  That's the one thing Charles Johnson can't do.  He gives up on jump balls when the DB goes first.  It's like it makes him paralyzed.  Could have had about 3 more TDs had he done that.
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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2015, 11:50:50 AM »
Absolutely. I want that receiver that can go up and fight off a defender for a jump ball. Sidney Rice with Brett Favre was just great. The way he went up and manipulated his body to come down with the ball was great. I want that again.

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2015, 01:34:45 PM »
Absolutely agree. I would much rather spend big on Iupati and then draft a receiver with the first round pick rather than sign a big receiver (Demaryius to Crabtree) and then drafting a tackle at 11 to play guard.

That's great to hear about White. I really was high on Parker, but the connection with Teddy at Louisville made it a bit a Homer pick. But he sounds like a big receiver that will go up and get balls too right? Or am I way off on the type of receiver Parker's going to be in the NFL?

It's hard to tell with Parker and I'm only going by high lites because so many of the WR's in college are used to such huge chunks of separation.......it's a question mark with Parker.  I hope they don't sign any WR in FA.....pay up for a guard and sign a solid WR or even two if we can get Funchess or Maxx.....they are TE's but both should be available at the end of the first round and both would be nice additions in the passing game too. It's all about mismatches and I think both of those two players can be just that at the NFL level.

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2015, 01:37:11 PM »
He better if he is being picked at 11.  That's the one thing Charles Johnson can't do.  He gives up on jump balls when the DB goes first.  It's like it makes him paralyzed.  Could have had about 3 more TDs had he done that.

I agree about Johnson....he's a nice find but will never be more than a number 3 WR.

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2015, 02:26:43 PM »
It sure would be interesting to see the Vikings draft grades. I'm always one that wants to draft the best available player, not by need. A bunch of free agents isn't a good recipe either. The more successful teams the more often this happens. I hate to say it, but look at the Packers roster. Not many FAs.

It's good to have a GM that realizes he can gain a pick or 2 by dropping down in the draft. Spielman benefitted when he drafted Kalil, but he hasn't lived up to the hype associated with him coming out. I still hold out hope that his injury issues are behind him now. Who were those picks that Spielman gained with the fleecing of the Browns? (Seems the Vikings got Wright with a pick?) The GM's ego also plays a part here. When a GM drafts a guy that high and he turns out to be a bust, yet he still rides that dead horse for way too long it irks me to no end. See Christian Ponder. It was obvious the guy couldn't play shortly after becoming the starter...

Everyone on here will agree that the Vikings offense needs a WR that stretches the field vertically. We also agree a true starting caliber LG is needed. Then there's always the opening for a safety to start opposite of Smith in the secondary. Those are the 3 absolute areas that must be upgraded with a starting quality player and decent depth...I can hear many stating, "what about a CB across from Rhodes as well?" Of course the Vikings will not get everything they want and need in this draft, but I surely hope the Vikings seriously consider Iupati as a free agent. This is supposed to be a deep draft at WR, so that's where I'd expect the Vikings to explore with the pick at #11...That said maybe they move back in the draft and take the best Safety and hope for a quality speedster with good hands a bit later. I understand there are more than 1 way to skin a cat, so If Iupati isn't a possibility perhaps the free agent aspect is filling one of the other glaring weaknesses on the club...
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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2015, 09:54:47 AM »
I totally agree on trying to get Iupati in FA. I would go with WR at #11. I personally like White, but would be Ok with him, Parker, or Cooper. Teddy may prefer working with his old teammate and that might enable him to synch faster. Get a LB in the 2nd and go O-line or CB in the 3rd. If we can trade AD and get a good pick that would be alright with me, but I think Spielman is right when he says AD will have a point to prove when he comes back and his body has had a year off. This draft should be fun.
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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2015, 11:44:11 AM »
Obviously lots can and will change, but PA & Charch have been broadcasting from the Combine the past two days and talking to lots of national media guys. All signs point to White shooting up draft boards, possibly being the first receiver off the board, and not available for the Vikings at #11.

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2015, 01:18:12 PM »
Obviously lots can and will change, but PA & Charch have been broadcasting from the Combine the past two days and talking to lots of national media guys. All signs point to White shooting up draft boards, possibly being the first receiver off the board, and not available for the Vikings at #11.

It would still be real nice if Cooper fell to 11......

There are lots of solid players that we could use....whether it's a WR or moving back and getting Shaq and depending on AD moving back into the first and getting Gordon or Gurley ......I'm personally getting really impatient right now......just want the AD thing to finally get settle one way or another and lets the FA thing started....it's going to be a long 3 weeks waiting for that to happen.

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2015, 05:28:23 PM »
The situation is so ever changing via FAs. I'm sure the Vikings do something notable, but just what that is will be determined by cash money and fit. Probably the reason I like Iupati so much for the club is that it would almost determine what way the Vikings do draft.. Kind of like the draft where the actual position filled will be determined by another team willing to jump up and pay someone. Should the Vikings NOT be able to sign Iupati the entire FA and draft situation is likely to swing. I'm also wondering what Yankey Has done this off season to actually improve? Strength was a problem from what I've heard...There's always the thought that Kalil might be seen as a bust already. I'm hoping it was a lingering injury issue instead of being another wasted pick. I guess we all will see soon.

From everything I'm hearing right now AP will be back next year. I, for one, am delighted. The settling of that issue would clear up some of the issues the Vikings have and might well let us peons know a bit more or have some insight...Then again Spielman could be lying his ass off!
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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2015, 06:19:50 PM »
With AD it'll be damned if you do or damned if you don't..........You all know I want him gone but that's mainly because of dollars and wanting a more of a J. Charles type back that can catch the football very well.  That said, if he stays and he has that fire to light it up because of all the crap he's had to endure we could witness a monster year from him. I think from a PR stand point the team is worried about that happening with another team should we release or trade him. I just hope it works out for the best whatever route we go.....we all just want what's best for the team. Regardless, it will be interesting to hear what some teams will be offering for him.

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2015, 06:18:31 AM »
Well, if you believe an article on CBS sports site it looks like AD isn't sure he wants to be a Viking anymore. The article basically said AD felt the team(organization) should have supported him more last year when this all happened with his (biological)son. Really???  If that is the case and he truly believes that then get rid of the sum bag......The team put you on exempt list, paid your salary, all so you could get the help you obviously needed and took the PR hit when they tried to have you play the following week. Time to grow up and be a man Peterson. Kick his ass to the curb.

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2015, 07:35:13 AM »
Trade him to the Browns so he can see what a dysfunctional organization is like. If he is going to piss and moan about how the Vikings treated him, then I really hope he doesn't end up in Dallas next season. Just be on a miserable team with no shot for the last five years of your career. 

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Re: Draft Talk
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2015, 07:38:05 AM »
Trade him to the Browns so he can see what a dysfunctional organization is like. If he is going to piss and moan about how the Vikings treated him, then I really hope he doesn't end up in Dallas next season. Just be on a miserable team with no shot for the last five years of your career. 

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