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Enough with Jenner already
« on: June 04, 2015, 09:03:43 AM »
This is really getting ridiculous.  Courage award?  Brave?  are you effing shitting me?

So let me get this right.  A former world champion, celebrity, reality star with unlimited resources and media outlets as contacts came out, and that's courage?  That inspires others to be open?  Really?  What a bunch of horse chit.  What real harassment is he going to face?

If this was some teenage kid, in rural Kentucky in a religiously fundamental community, that would be courage because he would face real harassment if not blatant violence.  Not a millionaire/celebrity with unlimited resources and protections.

Basically he did what Ru Paul did decades ago from what I can tell.  So in that, it is not even ground breaking.


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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2015, 09:07:37 AM »
Pretty sure there's a difference between being a cross dresser and being transgendered.
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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2015, 09:10:06 AM »
Will Caitlyn make the Wheaties box?

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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2015, 09:12:34 AM »
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Pretty sure there's a difference between being a cross dresser and being transgendered.

Call it what ever distinction you want, Ru Paul is way beyond a simple CD and The ESPY courage award is a joke.  There are a million transgender people that face greater challenges every day than this privileged douche. 

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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2015, 09:14:06 AM »
This is really getting ridiculous.  Courage award?  Brave?  are you effing shitting me?

So let me get this right.  A former world champion, celebrity, reality star with unlimited resources and media outlets as contacts came out, and that's courage?  That inspires others to be open?  Really?  What a bunch of horse chit.  What real harassment is he going to face?
Hollywood has different standards ?  We're supposed to believe that Rosie O'Donnell coming out is brave, when she's basically retired and has nothing to lose, and then pretend that the reason no one likes her is tied to the fact that we now know she's a lesbian...

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If this was some teenage kid, in rural Kentucky in a religiously fundamental community, that would be courage because he would face real harassment if not blatant violence.  Not a millionaire/celebrity with unlimited resources and protections.
Good assessment.  I would hope transgendered people wouldn't use him/her as a role model.

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Basically he did what Ru Paul did decades ago from what I can tell.  So in that, it is not even ground breaking.
Be a cartoonish gay drag queen ?
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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2015, 09:16:31 AM »
Call it what ever distinction you want, Ru Paul is way beyond a simple CD and The ESPY courage award is a joke.
Wait- when haven't the ESPYs been a joke ? 

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There are a million transgender people that face greater challenges every day than this privileged douche. 
I'd be surprised if there are a million transgendered people in the U.S., but I understand your point.  While many have noted that transgender discrimination is the new liberal cause celebre, the issues of transgendered people are quite poorly understood, often by transgendered people themselves.
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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2015, 09:17:43 AM »
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Be a cartoonish gay drag queen ?

Celebrity status to come out on the extreme level.  Though in fairness, Ru Paul made a lack of gender identity into celebrity status.  Jenner waited 65 years of building up that status.

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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2015, 09:19:14 AM »
Will Caitlyn make the Wheaties box?

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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2015, 09:22:56 AM »
There needs to be a new pronoun.

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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2015, 09:23:15 AM »
Everyone should believe in something.  I believe I'll have another beer.

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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2015, 09:24:01 AM »
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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2015, 09:26:22 AM »
There needs to be a new pronoun.

We already have one.  It.
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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2015, 09:28:08 AM »
There needs to be a new pronoun.

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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2015, 09:33:12 AM »
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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2015, 09:36:26 AM »
Celebrity status to come out on the extreme level.  Though in fairness, Ru Paul made a lack of gender identity into celebrity status.  Jenner waited 65 years of building up that status.
RuPaul was also a nobody who parlayed being a drag queen into a career.  I don't think he ever concealed he was gay.

You can make the argument I suppose that it took Jenner 65 years to come out, which figures into the whole thing of people calling him gay.  What gets me is the level of understanding we're suddenly supposed to have for transgenders, which is hideously complicated. 

For example: Jenner, like many transgendered men, insists that s/he's still very much into women.  So what is the expectation of someone that Jenner would want to date; would they (should they) be allowed knowledge that the person they're dating / marrying / expecting perhaps to bear a child with, is biologically not a woman ?  According to different sources, the knowledge should either be secret as long as the transgendered person wants, it should be made explicit immediately, or there needs to be creation of a class of people that want to date transgendered persons.  It's not as simple as just letting someone pee in a different bathroom.
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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2015, 09:42:41 AM »
The molecular genetics of gender determination by an embryo's X and Y chromosomes is surprisingly complicated. Far too complicated for you to understand.

Just sayin'...

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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2015, 09:57:39 AM »
Self-mutilation is now courageous?


I understand if one's wedding tackle were blown off in war or by the Tsarnaev Brothers but doing it to yourself?
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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2015, 10:18:06 AM »
Self-mutilation is now courageous?


I understand if one's wedding tackle were blown off in war or by the Tsarnaev Brothers but doing it to yourself?
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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2015, 10:19:31 AM »
When does its sex tape come out? 

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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2015, 10:20:24 AM »
She hasn't.

But isn't that what The Media is waiting/hoping breathlessly for?   They were not nearly as much in a tizzie when Chaz Bono added his member.




"The End Game", as it were?

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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2015, 10:21:25 AM »
But isn't that what The Media is waiting/hoping breathlessly for?   They were not nearly as much in a tizzie when Chaz Bono added his member.




"The End Game", as it were?
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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2015, 10:22:26 AM »
Self-mutilation is now courageous?

You think you'd have the courage to chop off your dick??  Not me.

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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2015, 10:31:22 AM »
Self-mutilation is now courageous?

Jolie was a "hero" for getting her knockers cut off.
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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2015, 11:11:13 AM »
Call it what ever distinction you want, Ru Paul is way beyond a simple CD and The ESPY courage award is a joke.  There are a million transgender people that face greater challenges every day than this privileged douche. 

This.  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Re: Enough with Jenner already
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2015, 11:14:35 AM »
Most transgenders don't get paid for their story.

They could. All they have to do is pull themselves up by their Go-Go boots straps.
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