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Republics then and now
« on: June 04, 2015, 09:37:33 AM »
In the Roman Republic, to stand for the office of Senator, candidates had to be at least 30, be from a patrician family and have an annual income of 1,000,000 sesterces (~ $500,000).

Pretty much as in contemporary Amer-ika.

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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2015, 09:48:19 AM »
In Rome, for a candidate to advance up the cursus honorum to become a praetor or consul, he had to spend lavishly on largesse.

Pretty much the same with Amer-ika's superPACs.

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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2015, 09:54:16 AM »
In Rome, the power of the arch-conservative Senate was balanced by the veto power of the Tribunes of the plebes.

No such remedy in Amer-ika.

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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2015, 09:54:44 AM »
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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2015, 10:01:31 AM »
Do you enjoy watching yourself ramble?

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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2015, 10:14:47 AM »
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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2015, 10:23:54 AM »
In the Roman Republic, to stand for the office of Senator, candidates had to be at least 30, be from a patrician family and have an annual income of 1,000,000 sesterces (~ $500,000).

Pretty much as in contemporary Amer-ika.


When one thinks about it, if the person running for senate in modern America couldn't but together an income of $500,000 a year and successfully manage it, they would not be qualified to help manage the US.


If you count personal property value in one's net wealth, a doofus like me out ranks Bernie Sanders...

https://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/summary.php?cid=N00000528&year=2012


...him being a Communist and all.
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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2015, 10:29:56 AM »

When one thinks about it, if the person running for senate in modern America couldn't but together an income of $500,000 a year and successfully manage it, they would not be qualified to help manage the US.

In Rome, a candidate for one of the consulships had to have at least one lectica elevator at their villa in order to qualify.

Mittney qualified, yet lost.

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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2015, 10:30:23 AM »

When one thinks about it, if the person running for senate in modern America couldn't but together an income of $500,000 a year and successfully manage it, they would not be qualified to help manage the US.

What are you talking about?  The current ones can't even afford their rent on their current salary.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/19/politics/members-of-congress-pay-raise/
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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2015, 10:54:11 AM »
In Rome, the rulers had to provide free bread to the masses in order calm disquiet.

In Amer-ika, the gluten would only serve to further madden the rioters.

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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2015, 10:59:45 AM »
In Rome, the rulers had to provide free bread to the masses in order calm disquiet.

In Amer-ika, the gluten would only serve to further madden the rioters.

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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2015, 11:03:58 AM »
In Rome, the Consuls were protected from the public by bands of lictors carrying axes bundled up in wooden rods (fasci).

In Amer-ika, the President is protected by drunks scratching their crab-ridden scrotums.

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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2015, 11:05:04 AM »
In Rome, the Consuls were protected from the public by bands of lictors carrying axes bundled up in wooden rods (fasci).

In Amer-ika, the President is protected by drunks scratching their crab-ridden scrotums.

That's only after they visit Colombia.
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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2015, 11:18:02 AM »
In Rome, the value of an individual's vote was based upon the historical prestige of the person's clan.

In Amer-ika, the value of a person's vote depends upon how their District was hegemonized. 

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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2015, 11:27:42 AM »
In Rome, the lictors' fasci symbolized the "love it or leave it we'll kill you" paradigm, which later gave rise to the term fascism.

In Amer-ika, the fascist symbols are: flag lapel pin; no neck; white crew cut.

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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2015, 11:30:43 AM »
They should do Fallout 5 in Rome.
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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2015, 11:36:43 AM »
They should do Fallout 5 in Rome.

I'm almost tempted to read Fallout 4. Is it really interesting?

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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2015, 11:39:11 AM »
I'm almost tempted to read Fallout 4. Is it really interesting?

It's a video game. Great game. RPG. You would hate it.
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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2015, 11:46:41 AM »
Roman attempts to subjugate Parthia only led to the disastrous defeat of Marcus Licinius Crassus' legions at Carrhae.

Amer-ika's attempts in Iraq have led to the ignominious blunderings of Don Rumsfeld. 

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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2015, 11:53:05 AM »
Roman attempts to subjugate Parthia only led to the disastrous defeat of Marcus Licinius Crassus' legions at Carrhae.

I'm not sure if Rome had yet officially morphed from Republic to Empire at this moment in time. There was not yet an Emperor, but the Senate had mostly been proscribed by one faction or another.

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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2015, 11:59:59 AM »
this is all well and good, but lets not forget what ultimately happened in Rome.

Julius
Octavian
Claudius
Caligula
Nero

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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2015, 12:01:52 PM »
this is all well and good, but lets not forget what ultimately happened in Rome.

Julius
Octavian
Claudius
Caligula
Nero

This is about Republics.

Start your own Empire thread, Slick.

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« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2015, 12:02:37 PM »
Do you have any solutions, F&L, or are you just going to rant all of your complaints all day?
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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2015, 12:04:38 PM »
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This is about Republics.

Start your own Empire thread, Slick.

And my point is Rome the re[public failed to be just that.  by comparison it makes America's failure not look all that bad.

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Re: Republics then and now
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2015, 12:04:59 PM »
In Rome, if a candidate for major office lacked sufficient funds, he would sell his oldest son for adoption to some plutocrat who had no heir.

In Amer-ika, candidates sell their souls to the plutocrats.