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Re: MLB HoF Question
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2013, 03:57:01 PM »
Oh and let Rose in...how can the all time hits leader NOT be in the Hall?
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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2013, 03:58:10 PM »
I like Dee's suggestion !  Open up the wall of shame and put them on there !
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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2013, 03:58:57 PM »
Oh and let Rose in...how can the all time hits leader NOT be in the Hall?
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« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2013, 04:11:56 PM »
With Pete it's a pissin' contest !
If he would have swallowed his pride and admitted his gambling, he'd be in.

I also like the idea of requiring 85% of the vote to be a first ballot HoF'r. ..seperate the greats from legends.
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« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2013, 04:12:57 PM »
If he would have swallowed his pride and admitted his gambling, he'd be in.

I also like the idea of requiring 85% of the vote to be a first ballot HoF'r. ..seperate the greats from legends.
I'll second that.
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« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2013, 05:25:20 PM »
I'll have more opinions tomorrow. Can't type on this damn phone.

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« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2013, 05:28:04 PM »
I'll have more opinions tomorrow. Can't type on this damn phone.

Love the debate everyone!
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« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2013, 06:11:38 PM »
On my phone again...   :-)

Nolan Ryan and Phil Neikro both  scuffed the baseball.. Should they be in?

Isn't that trying to get a competitive advantage? Isn't that cheating, too?
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Re: MLB HoF Question
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2013, 10:19:43 AM »
Ty Cobb was the most despicable racist character in Baseball History..He was so bad his own team hated his guts and fights with his team mates numerous. Mickey Mantle was a giant booze hound and he is in. Those were the days before internet and ESPN and Congressional hearings . Bonds , Clemens etc.  are victims of their own fame and transgressions being broadcast live 24 x 7 by the likes of ESPN. More people are aware of their ( ALLEGED) activities than in the old days before all things hit the internet. They are dirty and should not be allowed into the Hall of Fame. A Hall of Shame debate with an asterisk on their plaques is fodder for discussion. Oh does anyone think Ricky Henderson juiced ?
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« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2013, 12:01:11 PM »
( ALLEGED)

That is a very important word. We all assume (actually we all know) but the Mitchell Report did nothing to prove it. MLB has not erased any records from their record books.

Put them in and move on the a better era in baseball. The longer we fight it the longer the stink remains.
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« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2013, 12:06:54 PM »
does anyone think Ricky Henderson juiced ?

He probably did.. He played in that era and shattered stats. But we have no proof at all. And I'll continue to say that pitchers were juicing at the same time.

Aren't we all innocent until PROVEN guilty? Real criminals walk everyday even while staring at a mountain of evidence, but it has to be proved.....

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« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2013, 12:07:42 PM »

Nolan Ryan and Phil Neikro both  scuffed the baseball.. Should they be in?

Isn't that trying to get a competitive advantage? Isn't that cheating, too?

Hope someone answers this one! :)
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« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2013, 12:17:13 PM »
He probably did.. He played in that era and shattered stats. But we have no proof at all. And I'll continue to say that pitchers were juicing at the same time.

Aren't we all innocent until PROVEN guilty? Real criminals walk everyday even while staring at a mountain of evidence, but it has to be proved.....


Now see what you said ???? Rickey ?  Probably juiced ?? This is exactly what I'm talking about !!!  I'm not going to argue this anymore, I feel violated and hurt that to think everyone of my hero's were juicing just because they played in that era ?? ?  Enough !
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« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2013, 12:18:18 PM »
Hope someone answers this one! :)
You are nit pickin' Bully !!  Come on man !
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« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2013, 12:33:37 PM »
Now see what you said ???? Rickey ?  Probably juiced ?? This is exactly what I'm talking about !!!  I'm not going to argue this anymore, I feel violated and hurt that to think everyone of my hero's were juicing just because they played in that era ?? ?  Enough !

I'm sticking up for Rickey, 44! He is one my all-tive favs too! I wear my A's uni with teh 24 Henderson on the back proudly!

My point is we don't know, so he is a must for the HOF!! One of the greatest to ever play! But so is Bonds. And so is Clemens.
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« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2013, 12:34:06 PM »
You are nit pickin' Bully !!  Come on man !

No I'm not, 44... All forms of cheating are just that. Cheating.
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« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2013, 12:35:07 PM »
You have to assume that most of the guys were juicing, chit half the guys in my high school were doing the chit. It was widely accepted by players, managers, and fans. Stats as a whole went up throughout the league, and pitchers couls recover so much faster and pitch counts were up. I dont know how you solve it, as far as the HOF goes, but the writers are idiots for not voting in anyone.
Oh, and Pete Rose should be in, no debate. Betting does not equal cheating, and he played his ass off. I cant see him throwing a game, and would think he would only bet on his team if he was betting them to win. who knows for sure.
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« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2013, 12:44:03 PM »
Juice or no juice doesn't even matter to me. Scuffing the ball, either. The God given talent of these guys makes them HOFers to me.

Continuing with singling out Bonds and Clemens... They were slam dunk 1st ballot inductees before things got messy. No drug in the world could make them "better players"... the hand-eye coordination is off the charts with these guys.

If Clemens strikes out Bonds is Clemens the cheater because he was juiced? Bonds was juiced, too!

Vise versa.. Bonds goes deep on Clemens.. Bonds cheated?

I'll try and not argue anymore on this subject and I respect all opinions.. Mine is mine is yours and yours.
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« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2013, 12:46:56 PM »
You have to understand how much steroids changed the game. In the rush to dismiss them, people have thrown out awkward analogies about petroleum jelly, sandpaper, cork, tacks, diet pills from the '70s, etc. under the catchall category of "cheating." Stop it. You know what steroids are like? Steroids. Nothing else rises to the level of steroids when it comes to anabolically changing the body so that it can do far more than it ever could do without them.
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« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2013, 12:58:56 PM »
I agree.. Roids changed the game and not for the better. I hate 10-8 games and 70 HR seasons.

I like 3-2 games where runs are at a premium. I love great pitching and great defense. I like big ballparks where you have to really hit one to get it out.

I like hit and run baseball.. I like runners going from 1st to 3rd.. I like when a batter advances a runner to 2nd with a ground ball to the right side. I love the good old days when the little things mattered.

But the era happened. We can't erase it from the books as much as purists like me would like to.

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« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2013, 01:00:25 PM »
I agree.. Roids changed the game and not for the better. I hate 10-8 games and 70 HR seasons.

I like 3-2 games where runs are at a premium. I love great pitching and great defense. I like big ballparks where you have to really hit one to get it out.

I like hit and run baseball.. I like runners going from 1st to 3rd.. I like when a batter advances a runner to 2nd with a ground ball to the right side. I love the good old days when the little things mattered.

But the era happened. We can't erase it from the books as much as purists like me would like to.


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« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2013, 01:11:59 PM »
I agree ! Mark that down !  haha1

1/25/13 at 1400, Bully and 44 agree on the HOF thread!!
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« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2013, 01:14:11 PM »
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« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2013, 06:02:04 PM »
1/25/13 at 1400, Bully and 44 agree on the HOF thread!!
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« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2013, 06:03:34 PM »
You can thanks me later...
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